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Contents 1 Background on Main Page 2 Current Events Link on Main Page 3 Fan site status 4 Look 5 No more reds 6 The progress bar 7 International Wiki's of WAR? 8 Closed Beta 9 Database dumps 10 Layout 11 Frontpage reorganisation 12 News Feed on the Main Page? 13 Congratulations 14 Congratulations HammerWiki 15 Modified Logo 16 Background color 17 Countdown 18 Database error 19 Removing "Regiment" referring to guilds 20 Suggestion/Request for page set up

[edit] Background on Main Page

The background on the main page is a Wrath of the Lich King advertisement! This should be promptly removed by someone with edit privileges. Passage, 25 Sep 2008. 3:49pm (PST).

Unfortunately this advertisement was agreed to by Wikia, and there is no way to remove it until the promotion period ends. At that time, it will be removed automatically. -- Heaven's Agent 23:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

that's just silly

It seems like Blizzard knows their competition. Of all the Wikia sites, the ad is back again and only on Blizzard game wikis... and this Warhammer wiki. Passage, 18:32, 30 September 2008 (PST)

That is ridiculous. Not only am i recieving in game ads for that wow crap but now they are invading the wiki to! Curse wow i hat etheir guts... ah well just goes to show that they realize they're screwed and they are trying to hold out for as long as they can lol... (FYI: it only shows if you are not logged in...just something intresting i noticed). ~Shadowpaw

I hadn't realized it was brought back; I thought we had already gone over this the last time. I don't think we were even alerted this time around, where we? -- Heaven's Agent 07:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't think so, i'll check Bishop's page and KyleH's contribs - but I don't think so. This is annoying, but to be honest i'm not sure there's much I can do. ~ Revoran | talk 08:05, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

By the way Shadowpaw, you can type four tildes ( ~~~~ ) to sign, you don't have to do it manually. :) ~ Revoran | talk 08:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Gads why do they have to do that its so not cool... why cant they just let their game die like a good mmo... Oh hey kewl thanks man. Shadowpaw 21:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

I've let User:KyleH know on his talk page, hopefully he'll drop by and shed some light on this. You can see some old discussions on the Community Portal talk page and Bishop's talk page (If I recall correctly). There's not really much we can do about the ads unless we change hosting. 14:07, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Current Events Link on Main Page

It seems that the Current Events link in the navigation box does not work as intended. It links to HammerWiki:Current_events, but the actual page for the current events is simply, Current_events. Hearthuis 17:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. It should rightly be in the HammerWiki namespace, not the main, so there it is now. » Bishop · talk « 21:59, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fan site status

Can someone get on convincing Mythic to list us on the Fansites page of warhammeronline.com? Gravewit 07:23, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

Sounds like a fine idea. I noticed there was an address in the newsletter to send links to new fan sites to, so I did. I don't think they've added any in a while, though, so I'm not going to hold my breath. --Bishop 10:36, 25 September 2006 (CDT)

They've added more sites. But not us. I don't get it (a few of the sites they've added can't hold a candle to HammerWiki, IMNSHO). Maybe someone else should drop them a hint... --Bishop 15:52, 12 December 2006 (CST)

They tend to be suspicious of wikis- it took Blizzard 2 years to recognize WoWWiki. --Deadpool 07:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Yea, and then after they recognized it they kept strictly censoring it, with the wowwiki admins doing whatever blizzard told them to do. Which might be why wowwiki has always been, and still is, a really bad excuse for a wiki, even though the wow community is ~9 million or something. Hopefully this wiki won't turn out like that. Bootini 00:31, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I use WoWWiki commonly, and it is nothing like what you says. It is not censored, it is pretty much impossible to censor a wiki and although I've pretty much only used the lore parts, I have always found Ragestorm and the other admins to be doing everything they can for the wiki and not to be working for bliz. Anyways, this is not the place to discuss this. -Rovdyr 14:52, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Look

As is evident from the current look, I have brought HammerWiki's front page into line with the other Gamewikis projects. However, it is by no means set in stone that this is the final layout we should end up with. Suggestions and outright changes are welcomed! --Bishop 11:13, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

[edit] No more reds

Sweet, all the red links on the front page are gone, apart from the official news one. I've been waiting for some actual official news to put anything there. They better hurry up and say something important, 'cause I'd rather not have to import old news just to get rid of that redline... --Bishop 16:26, 5 September 2006 (CDT)

[edit] The progress bar

Love it? Hate it? Let me know. --Bishop 10:38, 8 September 2006 (CDT)

Very well developed~! -- [User:Anon]

[edit] International Wiki's of WAR?

Hello everybody, I would like to inform you that could be interesting on to share the links to the other International wiki's resources that talk's about Warhammer Online. I'm the administrator of www.wikiwar.it, localized in Italian language, we still in an early beta (like WAR ^^) and want to add this section and of course any wiki around the world that talks about WAR. You and of course any other wiki will be added on our wiki, and of course could be nice if everybody will do the same :) --WARit 14:17, April 18, 2007

It's probably worth updating this:

• war-wiki.net - a German WAR wiki
• el.warhammeronline.wikia.com - a Greek WAR wiki
• wikiwar.it - an Italian WAR wiki

I haven't come across any serious French or Spanish wikis yet, but I'm sure they're probably out there somewhere. --Pendrako 11:51, 1 August 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Closed Beta

Is now active, any admins care to update the bar on main page? And if possible, post the link of how to apply for the closed beta in the Whats New section. - Entice789 (Talk | Contributions) 20:56, 6 June 2007 (CDT)

I'm not sure it's active yet - wait until there's some definite news that people or guilds who signed up have been invited to join the beta. At that point it will no longer be at the 'friends and family' beta stage. -- Pendrako 01:59, 7 June 2007 (CDT)

To be honest, as best I can tell only signups for the bona fide closed beta have started -- but I may have missed something, I would love a citation of a source that confirms anyone "from the community" actually being allowed into the beta.

About the news section, did you see my comments here? --Bishop 09:28, 8 June 2007 (CDT)

It seems that the first round of community beta invites have been sent out. Not many, but it's a start. It's probably worth updating the testing stage status bar now ;) -- Pendrako 08:04, 12 June 2007 (CDT)

[edit] Database dumps

The HammerWiki (and other GameWiki) dumps are now available from my personal mirror. —Tanaric 18:45, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Layout

Hej there,

Are there plans to redesign this wiki? A Warhammer wiki with a white background?--Blueorange 12:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

White background with black text is easy to read. I think they were thinking about implementing different skins, but the current one will be default. - Entice789 (Talk | Contributions) 19:42, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

We've been specifically looking for someone with layout skills to offer suggestions and/or restructure the main page, if that is what you mean. And anybody, of course, is more than welcome to make suggestions and/or edits to the editcopy. However, you seem to be implying that the background color should be something other than white, and I cannot imagine that happening. Black text on white background has been sufficiently proven to be the most legible possible color scheme. And since HammerWiki is a documentation effort, it is the opinion of most editors I am aware of that this concern is paramount. --Bishop 00:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Frontpage reorganisation

I like it. Although I still think we could do with even more cleanup and/or a redesign. I also still want to find out how to remove the page title from the front page. It really doesn't need to say "Main Page" and it wastes space. » Bishop · talk « 15:04, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

I love the new featured article thing and the top box....could be a little shorter though, helps to have the front page be loaded all on one page without having to scroll down. - Entice789 (Talk | Contributions) 01:19, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

A couple good game wiki home pages I have seen are Age of Conan Wiki, Bioshock Wiki, Runescape Wiki, and of course the mother of all homepage designs, WowWiki.. they imitation is the best form of flattery :) Angies 22:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the layout still needs work. I'd like to see a complete overhaul that moves away from the multi-hued Gamewikis pastel tones into something that we can stamp our identity on a bit more. As far as having to scroll down goes... bear in mind that some of the info at the top of the page is especially helpful to newcomers to the wiki, and probably deserves pride of place for the time being, at least until we hit release. -- Pendrako talk 20:15, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, we could go with the WAR color scheme of Red, Gold, and Silver. Or we would build off of the RVR Flags colors (Red, white, gold for Order; Black, purple, blue for Destruction.)Or a mixture of the above. As I stated on the CopyEdit page, the page might be better served by cutting down the width of the tables from 100% to 70%. In addition, merge "Game Basics" and "Lore" into a single large table labeled "Index" on the left hand side. Then move the "War Stations" section to where "Game Basics" was. This will draw the eye naturally to the main articles, then to the featured article and then finally the War Stations. In addition perhaps adding the WAR Herald RSS feed to the War Stations box? --Mikeblack 20:47, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

One thing I would try to fix on the new template would be under the search window. At this time, it defaults to searching wowwiki. When I did a test search, it indeed searched Wowwiki.com and not warhammeronline.wikia.com. Could this be a simple fix or will this take many hours to change for warhammeronline.wikia.com? --Hearthuis 01:29, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

That's an embarassing error. I haven't actually encountered any links to WoW in the HammerWiki skin / main page. Normally when I search with the side search bar it seraches HammerWiki. Could you explain this any better? - I probbaly couldn't fix it myself, it'd be a problem for Wikia Staff or possibly User:Bishop our beaurocrat / technical admin. ~ Revoran | talk 01:56, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I need to do some further testing myself. After dumping cookies, temp files, and other Internet data, I get wacky results in Firefox. When I look at the page in IE, it looks like it's set the way it's supposed to look. If you are online, and use XFire as an IM client, hit up Greeseman (will display as Hearthuis) and I can get you some screen captures of what I'm seeing. In the meantime, I'm checking to see if it's a local machine issue or if it's actually a browser issue. Hearthuis 02:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Self update. Well, the issue was not browser related, but my wiki profile related. For some odd reason, whenever I was logged into the site, it would revert to a wowwiki-like template. When I logged out, it would return to it's normal state. To fix this error, I logged into my account and went to "My Preferences". From there, I selected the "Skin" tab and checked the box "Let Admins Override". This was not checked before. After saving my preferences, the site was restored to it's proper template.

This may be a solution to existing accounts that do not have a profile set from before the template update. You may want to have this solution on your radar, and see if you can make an account and manually modify the database to have no template defined, just to see if you can force the replication of this error, and then find a way to fix it. I'm willing to bet, though, that all new accounts will not have this issue. Hearthuis 02:25, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] News Feed on the Main Page?

Have you guys considered adding a news feed to the main page in some capacity? Take a look at the main page of the Age of Conan wiki's Main Page. You already have a news feed section, and I think it would work really well if you integrated that in to the home page in some capacity, especially during this closed beta period where news and updates come frequently. --KyleH 20:23, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

That seems like a good idea. » Bishop · talk « 19:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations

We've just hit 1,000 articles, Hammerwiki! Good job! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mikeblack (contribs) 00:22, 1 March 2008.

Awesome! Let's go for the next milestone, 5,000. --deadpool (t/c) 09:59, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Congratulations HammerWiki

http://www.warhammeralliance.com/articles/showentry.php?e=61

Browncoat from Warhammer Alliance says that he has "loads of respect for sites contributing to the warhammer community" and links to us.

So, congratulations for being counted as one of the communities best sites. ~ Gigaboost- 09:43, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Modified Logo

http://warhammeronline.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Wikilogo.png

I worked on a modification of the original logo, recreating the word 'wiki' in the Warhammer font style. I also have larger versions available for future usage as well. -- Across 18:28, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

I must admit, I prefer the original. It was made with a dual font for a reason. What's needed is not a revamp of the current logo, but a brand new logo in a format that fits the standard Wikia size. » Bishop · talk « 21:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Background color

Hi there, would it be possible to change the white bg/black text color scheme?

A white background with black text may be more legible but as such has been known to cause headaches and problems for people as reading black text on a white background is much different than on a piece of paper due to the contrast of LCD monitors.

A lot of other gaming sites have done this as well due to the actual problems of people focusing on black/white color schemes on a monitor. For example, WoW Wiki and Diablo III Wiki and Age Of Conan Wiki are far easier to read and easier on people's eyes.

Colored backgrounds have shown to help increase focus if the right color balance is chosen.

Remember, what works on paper doesn't necessarily work on a computer monitor.

Thanks.

Janin 70.71.244.175 23:38, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Interesting viewpoint. Completely wrong, as far as almost all research I have seen on the topic and expert opinions I have read, but interesting just the same. I am very interested in seeing a good discussion on the topic -- a quick Google didn't give anything I didn't already know. A good example is the W3C Schools reference. Still, there's no doubt that color schemes like the one on WoWWiki work well, and if there's new research that relates to eye strain and readability, I'd certainly like to see it. (Answer to self: there's some here I need to read). » Bishop · talk « 09:52, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Wow, nice comment. Way to treat someone with disrespect for making a suggestion. "Completely wrong" compared to your research? Right. Just like the world was flat, the moon was made out of cheese and nuclear power was a clean energy source and there is no global warming along with a billion other 'expert opinions' out there. Guess the research and the experts who produced those findings were never proven wrong. I've been a web designer/programmer for many years and I was one who used to think the W3C was the be all end all guide to everything but things don't always work in the practical world that has been sitting in the "text books" for years. I don't think the W3C has taken into account that almost all LCD monitors have "Dynamic Contrast Ratio" when it was setting up what it thought was best on web sites so in fact when you have some dark areas with areas of white or bright colors then you get an overexposure effect. So if you tell me that you can work on a high end LCD monitor for 7 to 8 hours a day and that it doesn't at all affect your eyesight or cause headaches or that there might be a possibility that other people other than you or the W3C might have that reaction then I'll stand down on the subject. Maybe try being a bit more open to ideas and suggestions instead of insulting someone and maybe during your 'research' you should look up "respect" or at least some social/conversation etiquette. —The preceding unsigned comment was made by Janinpal (contribs) 21 August 2008.

Just FYI, there are some notes about creating a dark theme for Monaco here. Some important notes: 1) For the styling to work properly on both light and dark themes, the dark theme must be the default theme for the wiki. 2) All colors defined inline anywhere in the wiki must be removed and defined through the style sheets (this is a pretty labor-intensive process, but if there is a time to do it, it would be now rather than later when there are 10x the pages to go through). There are probably some other considerations, but those are probably the two most important ones. --KyleH (talk) 17:37, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a note, Janinpal: while Bishop's comment was a little lacking in tact... he probably didn't mean to personally insult you. It's a good idea on wikis to assume that the other person is trying to help you and the wiki, even if it might seem like they just insulted you... perhaps take a little time to wonder whether they meant it personally, or whether they just should have though a little more about what they said. We want everyone on HammerWiki to feel comfortable and that includes both you and Bishop. I'm sure while Bishop might dissagree with your point, he didn't mean to insult you :). In the future i'm sure Bishop will try to be less confronting - so you should Assume good faith. I'll paste this comment to your talk page too.

Personally, I actually prefer Dark themes - especially WoWwiki's. Though I've never heard of any research being done either way before this, so that's new to me. ~ Revoran | talk 07:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Ah well, that'll teach me to be careful about how I word things on the internet. I apologize for upsetting you. I was trying to express genuine interest as well as disbelief, but I guess the initial brashness made it hard to read my post in that light. I'm really not sure how I could possibly be more open to ideas and suggestions, however. » Bishop · talk « 09:25, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Countdown

Just wanna say that I love that timer we've got on the main page. Kudos to Bishop or whoever it was that made it ;) -Rovdyr 12:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

But it would be nice if you did something to make it more visible. A frame, bigger letters or something else, it's just easy to overlook now. -Rovdyr 12:05, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

The countdown is sinchronized with PC or with the page? Because my PC date is always wrong :P Dr.M.Ginius 10:36, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The countdown is going backwards now... ∞ Sunspots {Talk | Contribs} 19:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed, check it out ;) ~ Revoran | talk 22:57, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Database error

← moved to HammerWiki_talk:Community_Portal

[edit] Removing "Regiment" referring to guilds

I'm pretty sure the replacement of the term "guild" with "regiment" has been abandoned, as the developers, manual, and in-game menus all refer to them as guilds. I'd like to change "Also known as Regiments" to "Formerly known as Regiments" so as not to confuse people. Slinky317 15:36, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion/Request for page set up

Alright, I'm a huge nut when it comes to these unlocks and titles. So I was going through what is currently out there for "titles" on this wiki and I'm not exactly pleased with the set up. Still so many things missing, it's kind of unorganized compared to how it is in the game, etc. Well I am not good with setting up pages or anything like that, but I will help with providing information (what little I have compared to most I'm sure) for Achievements. My vision of the page is exactly how it is in the game. Set up with Categories (Career, Casual, Realm Vs. Realm, etc) with the respective sub-categories (ie: for Career, Accruing, Assistance, Questing, etc.) Then the list of each unlock, with info on the title/rewards received for completing it, if any. All in the same order as it is in the game. This would make for an easy find of what everyone is looking for. Just my suggestion, thanks. Divinion 06:44, 3 November 2008 (UTC) a.k.a. Xaphyre, Wasteland, Swordmaster, The Varnay guild.

That's fine, but as this page is for discussion of the main page, for the most part, you might want to have a look at HammerWiki Talk:Community Portal, Talk:List of Achievements, Talk:Title and Talk:Tome of Knowledge. There's already been a fair bit of discussion on organisation of sections of the tome on HammerWiki, but any constructive criticism/input is very welcome. However like I said those talk pages might be a better place for discussion than here specifically. And if you can't get a reply for your ideas you can always drop a user a line on their personal talk page. Feel free to copy your comments from here to wherever you talk, and welcome to HammerWiki :) ~ Revoran | talk 06:51, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

There's a rather extensive discussion on the subject on Talk:Tome of Knowledge, though conversation has stalled on it. I had intended to implement the discussed structure when I had a chance, but my time to add to the wiki has been somewhat constrained as of late, and even what I have had available I've devoted to other projects. That said, if you want to read up on things and run with it, or even continue the discussion first, I'll be happy to give you a hand wherever I can. If not, I will get to this if no one else does. It's just a matter of when ... -- Heaven's Agent 07:30, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I find these wiki's to be very difficult to figure out sometimes. Heading that way now Divinion 03:10, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Ah, the ToK structure discussion, I haven't had too much time to discuss and contribute to the wiki, with school, playing the game and all, we'll see if I get time to look it over and add my opinions tomorrow and maybe we can get rolling again.∞ Sunspots {Talk | Contribs} 00:10, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

I've started restructuring the List of achievements page. I'm doing it a bit at a time, so it's easy enough to see where I'm taking it and put in feedback, especially since I barely know any code. I can see it being discussed forever with no change otherwise, and rollbacks are always easy. (Though not too far, I might cry after the time I put into it yesterday :p) Bilious 06:02, 27 November 2008 (UTC)