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[edit] Spoiler/Collapse Tags

Hello! I am new to the community and not very experienced with complicated Wiki-editing. I would really like to have a collapsible text template, and I know there are multiple places it has been implemented. User:Revoran and I found these links that have hidden/collapsible text:

• Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Hidden
• Wikia: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Hide
• Wikimedia Commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Collapsed

As described here, it seems this requires CSS & JS and therefore a [HammerWiki:Common.js] and a [HammerWiki:Common.css] or something similar. I feel I'm dipping my toe into a shark-infested corrosive-acid-pit with a laser-guard system. The discussion was started on my talk page but I brought it here because I don't have experience with acid, sharks, and laser security systems. Does anyone have some suggestions? (Even a "move your conversation here" would be appreciated) (WTarrasque 16:01, 18 September 2008 (UTC))

Actually, it was for the most part User:Sunspots who helped you out with this, but thanks anyway? As I know next to nothing about how java or css works, i'll leave this one to the techies and their laser-security-system infiltrating programs ;). ~ Revoran | talk 11:59, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

I can help you with this ... I'll see if I can get you a spoiler template built later today. --KyleH (talk) 19:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Much, KyleH! I wait with baited breath... or cookies, if I have any to give. ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 00:40, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

ok, Template:Spoiler should work now ... feel free to modify it however you'd like, or grab any other templates that rely on the collapsible table code that might suit your fancy.

-- KyleH (talk) 03:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Nice one! ∞ Sunspots {Talk | Contribs} 05:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

That's fantastic, thanks Kyle. One thing i'd like to see is for most/all of our templates to have these three links on the top left to the template itself, the talk page, and an editing link. An example can be found in the tyop left of this template of Wikipedia. ~ Revoran | talk 06:09, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

First of all, thank you very much KyleH! Secondly, I'm sorry I didn't thank Sunspots earlier. Thirdly: Crap, now I'm going to go use this everywhere for the History & Lore unlocks.

As a final note, is it possible to change the text orientation inside the spoiler box to be more similar to a Definition/Glossary list. In other words, the title is left-aligned ragged, the test below is justified or tab-left-aligned? Many thanks again ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 14:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Found header-align to determine header alignment. But: The text does not wrap. Please help me KyleH-wan-kenobi, you are a wonderful hope! :( ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 14:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Example of tag in use found here: Ekrund - History & Lore

Please note blue dotted text box and problem with no text wrap. Thank again!

Now I'm insanely confused. It looks like it works here User:WTarrasque/sandbox but not here Ekrund - History & Lore ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 15:41, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I found the problem. See the following examples below:

It's my content in a box... 

If you leave spaces in the code, it causes the blue box and lack of wrapping. Weird bug! I did some more testing and found by assigning the content to the "1" variable, it prevents the problem. I will write this in the documentation for Template:Spoiler later, during my lunch, I hope. ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 18:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] How far with background...?

I'm really enjoying the sheer amount of content I'm reading off of this wiki so far. I'm impressed with how much people are working to improve it. I know the game is still relatively new, so I know that it'll be a while before we see some incredible articles covering it. Which brings me to my current question.

Some of the best articles on this site so far have been about the background content of Warhammer. It's becoming a pretty solid source for general Warhammer background information. However, is there a limit to this? Are we only supposed to use material that can apply straight away to the game? Or can we add as much content as any other Wiki devoted to the Warhammer universe as a whole and not just the game?

If there's absolutely no limitations, I could ask the boys at http://www.lexicanum.com if we can share in their articles. I've worked with them and they write some pretty solid material. If we ask nice, I'm sure they won't mind sharing in the least. --Lygris 21:44, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Ahhh, PS. Much of their content is on the German site. They are bilingual, however, and likely very willing to help, provided we ask politely. --Lygris 21:59, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

There may actually be some pilfered articles that people have copy pasted from their wiki onto ours, if that's so, we should re write those as a priorty (see HammerWiki:Original content). Generally, you're free to add any Warhammer lore you like, as long as you use common sense and don't add extremely trivial things or make a ton of stub articles. For anything that never ever happened in the Age of Reckoning (the alternate timeline where WAR is set) such as the Storm of Chaos, make sure it's clearly marked as Expanded Background Content and provide a reference so that users understand the differences between the facts in your lore article, and the facts in WAR's setting. For instance, in WAR there are male Sorcerers, and the Storm of Chaos never happened, and Archaon doesn't exist - that should be made clear when writing about them. ~ Revoran | talk 05:59, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Oh, and um, in regards to sharing articles, that'd be a very touchy issue because of our original content policy. However, it's still open to discussion - my only concern is that well, i'd feel bad if anyone saw lexicanum and assumed they stole from us, when i fact it would be closer to the opposite. I've seen their site too, it's a great resource, but is there really a point in having two wikis havily devoted to the lore? I spose there's warrant for both of us to exist because while we both overlap on our lore coverage - we have different gaming sections (WAR and WHFB / W40K). I wouldn't be above a merger of some content I guess, but it's something that would have to be discussed. I wouldn't want to treat them with disrespect or compromise HammerWiki's goals (HammerWiki has never been about the tabletop game, or WH40k). I guess we could expand into everything like WoWwiki, but i'm just not sure. And i'm pretty sure Bishop (our senior staff member) would be against anything more than a cursory mirroring of content. We'll see how it pans out though. ~ Revoran | talk 08:29, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me. I'm still confused as to the whole "what takes place in the WFB universe" deal. Personally, I would like to believe that all their content would fit into the same universe. I've read stories, such as in Gotrek and Felix about male sorcerers, for example. The only thing that drags it down is that WHF tends to have a specific history and timetable, meaning that things have a hard time fitting into current events, but could fit into future events (sort of like how the Conan stories were never in chronological order.)

Personally, my take on the whole Everchosen situation is that this Tchar'zanek fellow, handsome devil that he is, is the overlord of only the Tzeentch faction. I'm under the impression that the Everchosen is the champion of Chaos Undivided. But I've yet to see much more than Tzeentch worship so far, I could be mistaken but that's all I've really seen. The other possibility is that there are actually two Everchosen at the moment. Granted, they'll probably be working to murder the other guy. After all, the Black Library published a novel by Anthony Reynolds about the game, so I'm at loathe to assume this is non-canon.

As for the articles, I'm going to wait to hear back from Bishop first. It's a big issue, and quite a few people have to say "yes" before I can go ahead with it- not just Bishop but the Lexicanum owners as well. Thanks again.--Lygris 12:42, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I personally am only concerned because GW has specifically said that there is no Warhammer Canon. As such, should we be careful to only included WAR information, since this should be - in theory anyway - internally consistent? If it's not specific to WAR, a short disclaimer like the one here [[1]] probably should be included. This will prevent various lore stories from confusing themselves. I guess there would be three categories:

1. Warhammer Online - WAR Certified Lore
2. Warhammer Tabletop - Published GW lore offered for gamers to use in traditional Warhammer play
3. Unknown - Lore that could be WAR lore, but isn't definite because of a lack of connection to the WAR Storyline by quest, PQ, ToK, or Paul Barnett.

Therefore, should there be a template for these different categories to prevent confusion? ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 14:32, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Argh, sorry for taking this long, but anyway i'll come back later as well and clarify. Basically, we assume any lore that doesn't directly conflict with the lore in WAR, is also appliccable to WAR, whether or not it's actually mentioned in game. However some things do conflict like the Storm of Chaos, and Grigmor Ironhide (in that case they should be clearly marked as not consistent with WAR's version of events). However this only applies with WHFB lore really, - the Roleplaying Game is a little touchier. It's semi-canon. And a lot of the Roleplaying Game's info is really in depth and not really needed here anyway.

And then there are some special exceptions for fantastic unnofficial (fan written) lore like some of the content about Drukh Eltharin on Druhir#Drukh-Eltharin. But even then, that should still be clearly marked as non-official. You're right about Warhammer not really having any canon, but that being said, it should still be common sense that Pikachu doesn't belong in Warhammer for instance. When all else fails, just include both versions of events and explain their context - like the information on Greenskins#Reproduction. ~ Revoran | talk 03:23, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Images

Most of the images don't display. It affects the whole Wikia afaik, but I'm leaving a note here in case we can do something about it. On an unrelated note, is there an "admin noticeboard" or something like that? –Đont*talK 14:14, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

There's nothing except the problem reporter to report technical problems, this page, and the talk pages of the various admins. As for the images, you're right - I noticed it a second ago. I'll go talk to User:KyleH, he's the main Wikia representative (ie: Wikia have their own staff who intermediate between Wikia and each wiki's admins) around here - I suspect it has something to do with the recent updates/maintainence they made/did when the databse was locked a few hours ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was made by Revoran (contribs) 29^th September 2008.

The image server is borked at the moment. Any images uploaded since the 18th are not displaying. We are working to resolve the issue as quickly as possible and will send out an update on a talk page message by the end of the day. In general, feel free to report problems directly to me. I have this talk page on my watchlist so I should see any updates, but if for some reason I don't respond here (eg. I overlook a watchlist notification email), you can bug me on my personal talk page or email me directly. --KyleH (talk) 17:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Guild Hosting Websites

A user left a new link in the gaming information links to a guild hosting website. I didn't think this fit with the point of that section, but I thought it worthwhile. Therefore, I made a new subsection for Guild Website Hosts. If it should be removed, so be it! ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 14:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not really sure if it belongs in a part of the wiki specifically about the wiki itself - but I don't see why it shouldn't be in the Guild article or HammerWiki:No guild pages (if anything it would encourage people to use those other services for making guild pages etc instead of us). I'll take a closer look later. ~ Revoran | talk 10:12, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much! ¬ WTarrasque { talk | contribs } 14:48, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Navbox/Tnavbar help

Hey, I'm having a lot of trouble getting the Wikipedia tnavbox to work. I think we need a wikimedia expert over here. Consequently, the navbar template is also not working like it should. I am utterly confused by this behavior. It appears that the parser on this end is automatically closing any HTML tags left open by the result of a parser function, and then later on when there have been too many closing flags it appears to be simply escaping them. Take a look at my test to see a better example. I am just learning templates but I at least understand that the behavior I'm seeing here is not expected. I'll be documenting the problem more on my sandbox. Let me know if I am totally wrong or there is something different here. -- Bincho 00:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The reason that the template behaves differently between here and Wikipedia is that Wikipedia uses a new version of the code parser that it uses to render pages. You can view more about that change here. Wikia will be migrating to the new parser soon, but doing so requires significant work because a number of templates must be updated in order work with the new parser. In your case, you can see how the HTML is rendered differently with the different parsers here. It looks like that template has a whole lot of code that accounts for all sorts of different possibilities, which is necessary on a site as big as Wikipedia. In your case, however, I would recommend trimming it down or rewriting something much simpler from scratch instead. If all you really need is to include those three links on the appropriate templates, then it seems like you could create something that does it in a much simpler way. --KyleH (talk) 18:59, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah yeah that makes sense. Figured it would be nice to have around, regardless. Thanks for the info, I think I can make something simpler to get the job done in the mean time. -- Bincho 19:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

If there's anything I can do to help with the transition I would be willing to lend a hand. I just got a rather nifty navbox structure working that sort of combines what we had here and what is available on wikipedia/wowwiki. While it doesn't actually work yet, it will when the new parser is in place. It can be viewed here if anyone is interested, just take a look at the right column. The left one is a bit shifty :). I will fix it up and make it more worth using once we have the new parser in place. -- Bincho 00:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] HammerWiki hits 2,000 articles!

HammerWiki hit 2,000 articles today, the 26^th of September 2008 - thanks to all who have helped us grow and are continuing to help us become a fantastic source of information. Waaagh! ;) ~ Revoran | talk 01:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

[edit] On managing various aspects

As per the Bestiary discussion I suggested a better use of namespaces, read Category_talk:Bestiary about it, that is mainly the Warhammer Generic Background/Warhammer online Background debate. Under a new point of view. --88.52.202.25 09:52, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Database error

It shows the following when I try to open the HammerWiki page:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "SMW::getSMWPageID". MySQL returned error "1146: Table 'warhammeronline.smw_ids' doesn't exist (10.8.2.6)".

Is it just me, or anyone else is experiencing the same problem? It is also giving the same when I try to post on its talk. –Đont*talK 14:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't just you, I was experiencing it too. However, it appears to be fixed now. I take that back, the problem persists. Although edits appear to be saved. » Bishop · talk « 14:24, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep, I managed to double-post on the main page's talk too. Weird. HammerWiki is viewable now, though. –Đont*talK 20:05, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sandbox

Do we have one? Sandbox is red. –Đont*talK 01:37, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Try with HammerWiki:Sandbox ∞ Sunspots {Talk | Contribs} 02:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Ah thanks. –Đont*talK 09:02, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Movement ingame.

Is the movement only with keys or can i use the mouse like in WoW? Im curious because in vid's ive seen it looks to be that everyone is keyturning. —The preceding unsigned comment was made by Roaringmilk (contribs) .

I don't know how WoW's movement works but you can control your character with keyboard only, keyboard and mouse or mouse only in WAR. –Đont*talK 13:52, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Considering Buying WAR.

Hello Fellow Gamers! I'm an avid warcraft player.. I do admit it openly, but as of late i've been swaying away from the game. After the disappointment of Age Of Conan , I've been afraid to really try anything out for myself.

So the question I put to you , my fellow gamers is, Is this game worth buying? , Will it provide me with steady content , and is it mostly bug free?

Look forward to hearing from you soon QuelamosTheWhite 11:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)-Quelamos the White.

WAR will provide you with steady content for as long as you want to play, though it is more PvP focused than most games, the PvP is a lot more fun than most games. If you simply intend to play PvE the whole game, don't bother buying WAR, however if you intend to play a mix of both PvP and PvE, or just PvP, then that should be fine.

I'd be lying if I said that the game is bug free (it still has many bugs, luckily none are gamebreaking, but still, many). MMORPGs are simply so huge that to make one bug-free on launch would be impossible, the reason WoW is so polished is because it has had 4 years to enable bug fixes. Rather than comparing WoW now with WAR now, compare WoW when it launched, to WAR now (just after it's launched) - WAR experiences very little server downtime/crashes, and always informs players beforehand, even if it is at short notice, it has had one of the smoothest launches in MMO history, and the developers are extremely dedicated, posting hot fixes almost every single day and content additions over the weeks/months to come. Can any other MMO say it was the same at launch? The game improves every day and will only get better.

For more information, i'll direct you to online forums such as Warhammer Alliance, VN Boards and War RvR, as this isn't strictly related to HammerWiki. ~ Revoran | talk 14:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Another thing to note is: Though I assume you already have a decent computer as you tried Age of Conan, WAR will require a decently powerful system to run. The graphics aren't as good as Age of Conan, but the performance in highly populated areas (PvP game etc) is much better. WAR isn't optimized that well yet, and some people have complained that it's badly coded (I wouldn't know), thus it tends not to take full advantage of your system. While the requirements aren't as steep as Age of Conan, they're still steep. The next patch (first big patch released soon! YAY!) claims to make a lot of improvements to game performance on all systems, so we'll see how that goes. ~ Revoran | talk 14:47, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks very much! , Although I have one more thing to ask.. Is WAR Equipped with Roleplaying servers? , While enjoying my PvP content , it would be fun to roleplay every now and then :P QuelamosTheWhite 21:24, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

No worries. Check server ;) ~ Revoran | talk 22:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anyone for a spot of IRC?

There may have been some talk about setting up an IRC channel for HammerWiki previously, or for the WIKI guild, but i'd really like to get one underway. For those who don't know, IRC (Internet Relay Chat) is an archaic (but still strong) form of chatroom which can be moderated by an Op (Operator - usually the channel's creator). IRC is free, and all you need to log on is a working IRC client or to access it through a web based java client/applet. More info at wikipedia.

What follows is a list of IRC clients, or web based connections to IRC:

• mIRC (probably the most commonly used IRC client, though not the prettiest)
• Trillian (plugins for many instant messaging services including IRC)
• ChatZilla (for Firefox/Netscape users)
• Freenode (web based)
• Mibbit (web based)
• Wikia IRC server (#HammerWiki will eventually be accessible here)
• More info at wikipedia

Access the server your channel is on (in this case irc.Wikia.com), and then join the channel by typing /join #HammerWiki into the message input box. It's all much more intuitive than I make it sound here, folks. ;) I'd love to get to chat with all the users who put in their time and effort here on HammerWiki.

IRC channels usually work best when people stay logged in for as long as they can - if people go into the channel and see no one in there, they're not going to bother staying in there, however if there is people in there using the channel, then obviously it's more attractive to stay. If this means that users should arrange specific times to chat, then that's fine. If enough users are interested, that would be great. I'll go ahead and create #HammerWiki channel using the server irc.freenode.net (remember to always put that hash # before the channel name).

Post your (fingers crossed) support below:

IRC's great. I used to spend a lot of time at the #rptavern for the original Warhammeronline game. I believe Pendrako did too, prior to starting Project Phoenix (Whatever came of that anyway?) Nowadays I rarely log onto mIRC, but with an active room I might start again. I'm all for it! Bilious 01:06, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

(I indented the previous user's comment to clarify the break.) I'm joining the channel, too. ♣ WTarrasque ^{( T | C | F )} 06:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Suggestion

This warhammer wiki really needs WAR DB syndication as seen here:

http://www.wardb.com/syndication.aspx

This will allow us to link items inside wiki, so people can mouse over the icon to view the stats.

For example, under Sentinel set page, if we have the syndication, could list all of the pieces and whatnot.

I don't believe the DB syndication supports wiki formats. If it did, I imagine they would have already implemented it on their wiki. -- 76.94.11.121 00:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)